TMSM Mythbusters: All Disney Fans Are Good People (And No Disney Fan Will Ever Try To Take Advantage Of You)

June 5, 2017

The goal of this blog series is to factually prove or disprove rumors, myths and mythconceptions in the Disney-verse.  This week’s TMSM Mythbusters we want to delve into the mythconception that has raised it’s head a lot recently in Disney forums. Sadly the myth that all Disney fans are trust worthy and good is just that, a myth.
One of the things I hear throughout the Disney community over and over in “sales groups”, information groups etc. when someone gets scammed or harassed is “but they were Disney fans I thought I could trust them.” While I know we all want to believe that all Disney fans personify all things good and trustworthy, we have to remember that villains exist in the real world not just in the Disney movies and stories we all love. Tonight I want to address a few Disney related scams and issues I have seen or heard about as well as some questionable practices in hopes of helping you protect yourself, because sadly there are people who call themselves Disney fans that intentionally try to scam other Disney fans.

Before I get into the topic of being scammed when shopping online, I wanted to take a moment to address an disturbing new trend in Disney circles in the Disney social media circles I have been referring to as the “Disney Cyber Stalker Trend.” This is trend is disturbing and has gotten to a point where grown adults seem to think that stalking and cyber-harassing the people that they have had a disagreement with is acceptable behavior. To use a phrase I actually loathe, this behavior is very unDisney like. And depending on where you live in the act of creating a Facebook group to bash or stalk others is not only petty and immature in some states this behavior is illegal thanks to cyber-harassment and cyber-stalking laws. It has truly become an issue that concerns me, and it is going way too far. I have seen people go as far as “demanding retribution” for assumed slights, to stirring up groups of friends to harass and stalk small businesses on Instagram and in some cases has even gone as far as taking the time to pull public information to try and validate this unbalanced behavior.
The worst part of this Disney Cyber Stalker trend is the “I don’t agree with you on social media so I am going to contact your employer/call you at work” approach. People, a person’s livelihood should never become the target of a social media disagreement. If your life is so in need of depth and meaning that you find messaging or calling someone’s job about the throw down you and a total stranger were in earlier that day to be socially acceptable behavior, it really is time to step back and look in a mirror and ask yourself “Is this really the person I want to be?” And honestly let me tell you what will probably happen. The person on the other end of the phone/screen will probably either directly call you crazy or tell their employee that some obsessed person wasted their time with a none work related issue and offer to print that conversation for them to take to the local police. If someone upsets you online that much, just block them.Now, on to protecting yourself when buying Disney items online. Some Disney groups like to sell shirts inside their group. They don’t host these shirts on public retail sites like TMSM does, but instead use an in house sales system where members send payments to the group owner, and a shirt is mailed from the owners home. Sadly sometimes these sites not only take advantage of their members that are buying these items, they also take advantage of Disney by selling trademarked and licensed imagery without buying the rights from Disney. I have heard too many horror stories of people selling “custom homemade shirts” that don’t deliver your shirt, or return your money, or worse yet charge ungodly shipping or to the resort delivery fees. One of the main reasons these people are able to take advantage of so many people is that they aren’t properly reported to the authorities or Disney. Also, too many people pay using PayPal gift which protects the person receiving the money, not the person sending it.
The best way to avoid being scammed when you are looking at buying a shirt for your trip or to just show your Disney is to use a legitimate business like the Disney Store, Hot Topic, Torrid, JC Penny, Kohls, TeeFury or TeePublic. Each company offers cute and fun shirt designs (and other fun swag) while also adhering to federal  sales tax practices and trademark regulations. These sites also make it easy to return items, and have an easy to check order tracking system.
Another problem we see is “Personal Shoppers” or people offering to “do pick-ups” in Facebook groups. There are a few issues with these practices. Many Personal Shoppers advertise as being a business this means this profit is coming from a commercial venture. Also when doing pick-ups or reselling items from inside the parks, the seller charges a pick-up fee or “up-charge” so as to make a profit. Disney’s Annual Passport Terms and Conditions clearly state these things are a violation:

  • Additionally, Passports may not be used for commercial purposes and are void if altered or misused.
  • BENEFITS/DISCOUNTS: A Passholder must present his/her valid Passport and valid photo identification prior to purchases to receive any applicable benefits and discounts. Benefits and discounts are nontransferable and may not be combined with any other offer or promotion. Such benefits and discounts are for personal use only and may not be used to obtain or purchase items or services with the intent to resell such items or services.

Another problem with “pick-ups” is that many people do this for limited edition items. This not only keeps people who are actually in the line behind the “shopper” from getting an item they want because of the shopper bulk buying for people that aren’t present, it also opens the door to the buyer being scammed. Currently there is a known case of a lady “picking up” bags that had a 5 item per person limit, but she sold to well over that number of people and at the moment over $5,000 in collected funds lack merchandise to line up with the buyers payment.
Finally we have heard of people “selling ads” in their Facebook groups. While this is the choice of the group’s admins and is a practice Facebook has yet to address it still isn’t necessarily kosher depending on how the practice is done. We have seen proof that there are some groups making members pay $25 or more a day, as a PayPal gift, to be a group’s specific sponsor of the day. While this doesn’t sound like much, when you do the math 30 people paying $25 a day is $750 a month, or $9000 a year that is not being declared as income by PayPal. By using the “send as gift” option PayPal’s payment tracking systems are bypassed. Per PayPal “Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 6050W states that all US payment processors, including PayPal, are required by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to provide information to the IRS about certain customers who receive payments for the sale of goods or services through PayPal. PayPal is required to report gross payments received for sellers who receive over $20,000 in gross payment volume AND over 200 separate payments in a calendar year.In order to help you understand these changes, we have prepared the following FAQs.”
So while not all Disney fans are heroes, you can protect yourself from being taken advantage of. Here are a few quick tips to remember when buying Disney items or paying to sponsor a Disney group or Facebook page

  • Never buy items in Facebook groups where prices aren’t publicly listed. If you need to private message for pricing avoid the sale because you have no guarantee that everyone else is paying the same amount you are.
  • Never send money as a PayPal gift, always send it as a payment. If you send money as a gift you may not be able to get your money back if the item doesn’t arrive. If you send it as a PayPal payment PayPal’s “PayPal Purchase Protection” program is in place.
  • Don’t be scared to ask for a business license and referrals if you see large amounts of sales but don’t feel safe about  the purchase. If the seller gets defensive remember, their item probably isn’t unique to them, so you can probably find it else where for a better price.
  • If you feel you have been taken advantage of in a purchase, don’t spin up the villagers and ask them to get their pitchforks and blazing torches, handle things the right way. First open a dispute in Paypal and if they can’t help you, contact your local police department about fraud charges. These options will usually provide a much better result than trying to “kill the beast.”
  • If you want an item from the parks instead of using Personal Shoppers or people “doing approved pickups” check the Disney Store online, the Shop Disney Parks App,  or contact the merchandise line directly at 877-560-6477 (toll Free) or [email protected] most items can be purchased directly through Disney.
  • If you see someone selling licensed imagery, contact Disney Anti-Piracy directly so that their highly paid lawyers can go after those in violation. Fighting them on your own not only does little to no good, it just creates drama. Per Disney the way to report Anti-Piracy is easy:

    The Walt Disney Company and its subsidiaries own the intellectual property rights to the characters, brands, titles and properties popularly associated with the Disney name and with Disney’s affiliates. This includes a large number of titles, characters and other elements from Disney’s television programs, feature-length motion pictures, animated productions, publications, games and music.
    Disney takes the enforcement of these rights very seriously. We protect these rights so that we can continue to provide quality entertainment that measures up to the standards that our audience has come to love and expect. We welcome reports of suspected infringement of any of these rights. Please direct reports to us via one of the following methods:

    Voice Mail: 818-560-3300
     Mail: The Walt Disney Company Antipiracy Group
    500 South Buena Vista Street
    Burbank, California 91521-0644

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